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So, I'm reading more of the Microsoft propaganda... - nil.enroll(aetheric_username, quantum_class_id)
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So, I'm reading more of the Microsoft propaganda...
And I'm bewildered and afraid of the complexities of the software .. and the organizations that might use it. I can appreciate that I haven't worked much for really big organizations, sure. I'm having a lot of trouble wrapping my tiny little UNIX-addled hackery brain around the scale and complexity of some of this stuff. And the fact that MS has seemingly implemented most (if not quite all) of the features of ISS's RealSecure (RSSP) product ... does not make me feel better.

So, Internet, what the hell do people at "real companies" do with their computers? What is the ratio of "servers" (however that might be defined) to users? Is there are rationality to this madness? How much back-end support does a desktop with Mail, Web, Office, IM, Filesharing require? Some users need other apps, and of course hackers and designers are more annoying to support in a managed environment, but I don't see that needing much infrastructure.

So, what am I missing here? If anyone cares, I've skimmed over the rest of the IPv6 masturbation and read over the new features in Active Directory Domain Services and Application Servers (which I barely understand the point of). And this is 70-646 Windows Server Administration, by title anyway.

It's really starting to sting that these folks have very different ideas about what Server and Operating system mean...

Later: In Chapter 4, Lesson 2 we learn that although you could deploy and update (commercial) software with Windows Software Update Service 3 and the Microsoft Installer 4 (both built-in windows components / free add ons) any sane person who wants to deploy and update software (omgsrsly?) will have to license System Center Configuration Manager 2007. Which requires SQL Server. You could use System Center Essentials 2007 (cheaper) if you only have 30 servers or 500 clients and it can use the free SQL Server 2005 Express edition. *cha-ching* I don't actually want to do the math, but I think that's actually worse than the "deal" Apple offers. Oh, you know what, let's look:

Plan B. I fucking dare you to read this: http://www.microsoft.com/systemcenter/configurationmanager/en/us/pricing-licensing.aspx?pf=true

There's a cookie at the end if you make it. You still won't know how much SCCM will cost you, but I think we can agree that it's more than Windows Server Standard (~$1000 on it's own). One edition includes the SQL Server license (as long as you don't even think about using it for anything else). That one is $1307. (four significant figures? I doubt the precision and accuracy..). And it has some kind of insane license requirement for the managed servers and services too. If you read that page I linked you'd know that (maybe) but I doubt any of you did. I wish I hadn't.

apt-get install mysql-server cron openldap-server kerberos-server samba jabber2-server clamav postfix amavisd openvpn nessus nagios3 snort snort-acid squid apache2 rails php5 request-tracker rt36-rtfm mediawiki openoffice.org x.org openssh bind dhcp-server subversion-tools
# all free and free, and my time is primarily worthless. these packages comprise
# a pretty full set of services on the backend although none of them are pre-integrated
# and that can be a few weeks of hacking in the worst case to get going
# software update management is a feature of the OS and there are various ways
# to enforce software and user policy depending on the scope and depth to which
# you want to do this ... same for remote management and automation or auditing

*throws hands up in air, goes to play video games*

All seriousness aside, if someone in a big company and/or a Microsoft shop can toss me a clue? It's going to get steadily harder for me to slog through this propaganda if there's no kernel of utility. FFS people this smells so bad it's got me defending UNIX here, help me out?

Current Music: Sarah McLachlan - Sweet Surrender | Scrobbled by Last.fm

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suri From: suri Date: July 5th, 2008 11:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
I can't speak directly to your question but I can give you some food for thought: Think about my situation. A library, needing to integrate many different databases, built many different ways, each trying to compete for my information center dollar and trying to be "the best". I have to have someone that not only gets these all to work on the same platform, but with the fact that the company has decided Microsoft is the basic program that all other programs must talk with...and no one can let any bugs, leaks or opportunities into the company. I think they have 1-2 people who understand Microsoft just for our team because we always bring in the new stuff.
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